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Games vs Practice
Topic: May 11, 2023, 01:17:21 PM
Just saw on Holydell website that the PHC 2013 AAA team played 76 games and Hurricanes 12UAA played 77 games. This amount of games is insane! USA Hockey ADM recommends the following:

10U AA/AAA- 80 practices & 25 games
12U AA/AAA- 90 practices & 35 games

Now I am not saying that USA hockey is god and they should be followed 100%. However, PHC may get 100 practices per year and with 76 games that is 176 times in a year on the ice. Hurricanes may get 80 practices and with 77 games that is 157 times in a year on the ice. Factor in private clinics, power skating, summer camps, etc and these kids are on the ice  275 times in a year. That is way too much. Other States do not run their hockey programs like this. Minnesota, the best State for hockey may have their kids on the ice 200 time max, with way more practices and fewer games. Hollydell is nuts for doing this to their kids and should have their rink looked at by USA Hockey and the Atlantic District.

This has all started since 2019 when you know who was fired. I bet we will not see any Hollydell or PHC kids making the pros again due to this crazy way of building a hockey player. The best athletes make the pros. Hollydell is building great youth hockey players that fizzles out by 15. Get the kids off the ice and playing other sports. Then at 15 focus on hockey 100%. Hollydell has sold families a bill of goods. Just look at the PHC & Hollydell teams and how average they are at the older levels (15U & up). 
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Reply #1:
 May 11, 2023, 11:25:46 PM
They don’t fizzle out at 15U. The have been developing good players that leave for hockey academies and prep schools. Midget hockey in this area is a dead end.

PHC has had over 10 D1 commitments in the last 2 years. Few kids will be draft this year. You should probably get your facts straight before posting.
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Reply #2:
 May 12, 2023, 09:40:07 AM
They don’t fizzle out at 15U. The have been developing good players that leave for hockey academies and prep schools. Midget hockey in this area is a dead end.

PHC has had over 10 D1 commitments in the last 2 years. Few kids will be draft this year. You should probably get your facts straight before posting.

How many of those 10 PHC players going D1 were actually brought uo through the PHC/Hurricane program? I best most came from other rinks to play Midget in UDPHL and EHL. Anyway, poster was lamenting amount of games played at younger ages. No other sport at young ages play that many games. This is why hockey prices out best athletes! So many games = higher tuition. Other rinks play just as many games. It is just yhat Hollydell attracts the craziest of parents. It must be something in the water down there as Clearview lacrosse parents are just as bad.
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Reply #3:
 May 12, 2023, 12:51:39 PM
They don’t fizzle out at 15U. The have been developing good players that leave for hockey academies and prep schools. Midget hockey in this area is a dead end.

PHC has had over 10 D1 commitments in the last 2 years. Few kids will be draft this year. You should probably get your facts straight before posting.

Is is PHC/Hurricanes players that came up through Hollydell program or players in the PHC USPHL/EHL program that came from other rinks that went D1?

My point is not to single out Hollydell, as other rinks are playing the same amount of games. It is that this is not how a hockey player is made. I bet the kids going D1 spent way less time playing games coming up and practiced more, while also playing other sports. I see some Hollydell kids play nothing but hockey year round. I see some dabble in lacrosse while also playing Spring & Summer Hockey. The young player (14 & under) need to get off the ice and play other sports to develop their athletic ability. It will only help in hockey. Playing year round is not helping any of these players.
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Reply #4:
 May 12, 2023, 01:12:25 PM
Every D1 committed player was a product of PHC. None came from other programs and none were in their junior program at any time.

EHL doesn’t produce any D1 players. D3 players at best come from that league. Hollydell is no longer affiliated with USPHL but NCDC is the same as EHL, D3 players.

Its easy to come on these forums and sound like an authority but you clearly have no understanding of how junior hockey works or the landscape beyond the birth year your child plays.

Btw “you know who” didn’t get fired he quit.
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Reply #5:
 May 12, 2023, 05:31:14 PM
This is a great article on that:

How Much is Too Much? - MYHockey

hollydell teams are usually good in the early fall, when they have an advantage from having all their kids skate all off-season. But then by mid November, everyone else has caught up and the hollydell kids are burned out

it's run like a cult there, parents are so pressured to have their kids on the ice all the time, especially when extra ice time is available
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Reply #6:
 May 12, 2023, 09:03:15 PM
My lord you people just post anything without knowledge or facts.

EHL is tier 3 junior not midget. It produces D3 players not D1.

This is why these forums get shut down. Bunch of misinformed parents.
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Reply #7:
 May 12, 2023, 11:04:12 PM
My lord you people just post anything without knowledge or facts.

EHL is tier 3 junior not midget. It produces D3 players not D1.

This is why these forums get shut down. Bunch of misinformed parents.


So misinformed, hub. NCDC produces a lot of D1 kids. EHL D3 and D2. Point is Hollydell is over rated and burns kids out. Also "You know who" techically quit because Hollydell had the class to allow a legend to quit rather than be fired. If PHC is so grear why did 2011 team lose 8 players and 2012 team lose a bunch? While 2013 PHC had a great year, watch as they slowly come back to pack as kids get older. It is PHC m.o.!

Never knew Hollydell parents/coaches were so defensive?
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Reply #8:
 May 15, 2023, 03:19:01 PM
Every D1 committed player was a product of PHC. None came from other programs and none were in their junior program at any time.

EHL doesn’t produce any D1 players. D3 players at best come from that league. Hollydell is no longer affiliated with USPHL but NCDC is the same as EHL, D3 players.

Its easy to come on these forums and sound like an authority but you clearly have no understanding of how junior hockey works or the landscape beyond the birth year your child plays.

Btw “you know who” didn’t get fired he quit.

Your comment on EHL is kind of correct. EHL does produce mostly D3 & D2 players. But NCDC produces a lot of of D1 players. I guess that is why Hollydell is no longer affiliated with NCDC! So you are off a little their. Not sure you are correct about all players were from Hollydell? Hollydell is producing fewer college players each year. I don't count players that may have played until 12U Minor, then jumped ship to another rink, which is happening a lot (2011 PHC, 2012 PHC). You develop players at young ages, they get older older and either leave or stagnate. Here is an idea, tell the kids to play another sport, stop with 70+ game per year schedules, tell them to get off the ice for 8-10 weeks a year, play spring/summer tournaments at proper level (rather than down a level), prioritize good sportsmanship, fair play, deprioritize winning and then maybe kids will not leave your rink at 12 & 13.

Go have another drink at Dunlops and then drunkenly yell at the refs!
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Reply #9:
 May 15, 2023, 05:16:02 PM
EHL - tier 3 junior. Produces NCAA D3 players and ACHA D1-3 players. There is no NCAA D2.

NCDC is low level Tier 2 junior. 1 NCAA D1 commitment last year.

If you don’t believe this search District President Glenn Herferen and you will find a graphic he put together for 2022.

 Very few legitimate NCAA D1 caliber players stay in this area and play midget. They go to hockey academies and prep schools. Mostly because high school hockey and the AYHL do nothing but hinder exposure and development. I don’t care about Hollydell or any other rink but your information is not correct.
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