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Author Topic: Open Period (Recruiting) — dvhl/ayhl  (Read 1414 times)

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Open Period (Recruiting) — dvhl/ayhl
Topic: March 02, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
When can a coach/parent speak to a player on another USA hockey roster without it being tampering/a rule violation. Unclear on Atlantic District/USA Hockey site that I can find. (Taking about squirt thru bantam) 

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Reply #1:
 March 02, 2020, 09:51:46 AM
No rule against a parent talking to a kid.....USA hockey can’t punish someone who isn’t under the USA hockey umbrella. And can’t punish the team for something that someone who isn’t team staff did.  Just a loophole

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Reply #2:
 March 02, 2020, 09:53:42 AM
12U & Below - March 17th 4PM (Tier II can't be on the ice until March 23rd)
14U & Above - April 7th 4PM  (Tier II can't be on the ice until April 13th)

Independents are March 30th and April 20th respectively.

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Reply #3:
 March 02, 2020, 10:13:05 AM
USA hockey coaching ethic policy says the below.

Recruiting
Coaches will not recruit a participant who is already a member of another USA Hockey team. Direct contact by a coach or his / her staff or indirect contact through an agent or parent during the playing season with a participant who is a member of another USA Hockey team is considered tampering and is prohibited.



Also this isn’t about eval/tryout dates. The question is why when is a player allowed to be on the ice/openly talk to other orgs without the org and player being penalized for tampering. 

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Reply #4:
 March 02, 2020, 10:23:32 AM
The dates above are accurate. You cannot have contact prior to 24-hours (normally 48) after nationals for 14U and above and 48-hours after districts 12U & below.


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Reply #5:
 March 02, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
So if that’s the case how can these teams have “pre skates”. This is direct from USA hockey site. And all the coaches are on the ice for these skates. 


Can a program hold a pre-tryout, identification camp/skate, or informational meeting prior to the Open Period for players from outside their program?
No. Any type of pre-tryout, or identification camp or skate, skills sessions or similar events for players or parents from outside of the program’s current players, would allow the program to have contact with the program’s coaches, etc., and would constitute improper recruiting of players from outside of the program prior to the Open Period. Pre-tryouts, identification camps, etc., prior to the Open Period, may only be held for the hockey players and/or their parents currently registered with the hockey program.

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Reply #6:
 March 02, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
See the FaQ.  Very unclear from Atlantic’s district and this is what they point you too. 

https://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachments/document/e326-1830893/Tier_I_and_II_Recruiting_Rule_FAQ__2-27-19_.pdf#_ga=2.3714096.1463074490.1583156621-974320603.1582171533

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Reply #7:
 March 02, 2020, 02:20:17 PM
So if that’s the case how can these teams have “pre skates”. This is direct from USA hockey site. And all the coaches are on the ice for these skates. 

Because they've been getting away with it for years. Most groups that do this think if they run the skate under another program or through the rink it's OK. USA Hockey FAQ clearly states this isn't the case.
Can a program hold a pre-tryout, identification camp/skate, or informational meeting prior to the Open Period for players from outside their program?
No. Any type of pre-tryout, or identification camp or skate, skills sessions or similar events for players or parents from outside of the program’s current players, would allow the program to have contact with the program’s coaches, etc., and would constitute improper recruiting of players from outside of the program prior to the Open Period. Pre-tryouts, identification camps, etc., prior to the Open Period, may only be held for the hockey players and/or their parents currently registered with the hockey program.

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Reply #8:
 March 02, 2020, 04:36:57 PM
So if that’s the case how can these teams have “pre skates”. This is direct from USA hockey site. And all the coaches are on the ice for these skates. 


This is nothing new. Its done before every tryout. The rink sends their "employees" who everybody knows are part of the organizations in the rink to run the skates. Dad coaches and the "employees" report back to the organization who is new and if the players are any good. Its both cheating and an easy way for the organization to make additional revenue for the management of the org and the rink. They make it sound like if your kid shows up for the pre skates they'll have a better opportunity to make a team. Don't be fooled each teams coach already has their team 80 percent filled before tryouts actually happen. The only way new players to the organization make it is if they are obviously better than existing players or there is an actual spot open. In which case the coach will cut one of the lesser skilled players.

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Reply #9:
 March 02, 2020, 07:14:29 PM
I get all that just seems a bit odd that you can’t openly talk to another team even 48 hours after your season ends/your league championship?  Then the first day you can talk to another coach is the same day as evals/tryouts?

Can’t be right no? So the Atlantic district references the term “open period” so the open period starts the night of tryouts/evals? So In reality there no real open period to find the best option for your kid?

Hmm all seems a bit like you are trapped?

 

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